[Red]

I'm not convinced the diminutive 1.5L thefted from the Fit is going to make the nut in the HR-V. I mean were talking a feckless 130 horsepower. I'm expecting the HR-V to be a fair chunk heavier than the Fit, coupled with parasitic loss of an AWD system were talking what, maybe 120 to the wheels...

Either they need to offer North America a Turbo version of the 1.5 or they need to bring the JDM Hybrid setup over...

 

[vtec]

A boosted version would help, even if it just gave 20-30 more HP and/or torque in the lower power range would help out greatly

 

[trals]

yea im skeptical on the whole 130hp thing too
i think it needs at least 160hp

 

[cfrp]

it would be like a fatter heavier honda fit

even slower

 

[Red]

Ok so its confirmed that a Turbo will be available at some point... When... ????

From Autoweek:

Down the road, the Vezel will get a turbocharged version to improve fuel economy and boost power, Yoshiharu Itai, the crossover's chief engineer, says.

Turbo timing unclear

Timing of the turbo debut hasn't been decided, but Itai said he expects to use the new line of small turbo engines Honda introduced last month before the Tokyo Motor Show. He is considering the 1.5-liter turbo, which Honda showed in an Acura ILX sedan.

“We haven't decided yet what model year it will be, but we have that in our plan,” Itai said of a turbocharged Vezel at a recent briefing outside Tokyo. “We are creating a package so that turbocharging could be installed with this model.”

 

[vtec]

Thankfully it's confirmed, this is one of the better things they can do for this vehicle. Hopefully it's no later than a year after the original launch date. Not sure if im willing to wait longer

 

[Harry_Wild]

I think Honda America should bring in the 2015 Honda Civic Type R's larger 2.0-liter turbocharged engine with 275-300 horsepower to offer a high performance HR-V AWD.

 

[Red]

I think Honda America should bring in the 2015 Honda Civic Type R's larger 2.0-liter turbocharged engine with 275-300 horsepower to offer a high performance HR-V AWD.

I think people will scream bloody murder if that happens. For too long the NA market has wanted that Euro only engine (and car), never getting it. I really don't see it sitting well with Hondas image for them to pull a stunt like that. Now granted Joe Sixer is not likely to know the difference, but the journos will surely threaten to hang themselves at Honda HQ in protest, you know how bad that would be for PR

 

[Harry_Wild]

I think people will scream bloody murder if that happens. For too long the NA market has wanted that Euro only engine (and car), never getting it. I really don't see it sitting well with Hondas image for them to pull a stunt like that. Now granted Joe Sixer is not likely to know the difference, but the journos will surely threaten to hang themselves at Honda HQ in protest, you know how bad that would be for PR

It might surprise people that many of theses environmentalists have multiple vehicles since the are mostly in the upper class. I sure they have a Prius or a Tesla but also other vehicles like a SUV and a Porsche.

Most average buyer buy what the like and can afford. Performance and comfort rank high in there consideration if you look at who drives BMWs, etc...

Many buyers will say one thing but actually do the other. It part of acting politically correct. I know many of these people who drive 911s and full size Land Rovers.

 

[cfrp]

throwing a turbo on a 1.5L wouldnt be a bad idea

but knowing honda

that will never happen

 

[Red]

It might surprise people that many of theses environmentalists have multiple vehicles since the are mostly in the upper class. I sure they have a Prius or a Tesla but also other vehicles like a SUV and a Porsche.

Most average buyer buy what the like and can afford. Performance and comfort rank high in there consideration if you look at who drives BMWs, etc...

Many buyers will say one thing but actually do the other. It part of acting politically correct. I know many of these people who drive 911s and full size Land Rovers.

Indeed! all true, but its not what I was alluding too. I meant that many people want the Type R, if Honda was to bring over the engine only, most people would have no clue, but the journos would crucify Honda for not bringing it over in the Type R.

but to go back to the greenies, my favourite part of the whole equation is electricity generation. Which is worse, cars burning gasoline or cars using electricity generated from coal fired plants. Hello California, is that you?

 

[cfrp]

it is very true

most of the Tesla owners I know also have high end sports cars that devour gasoline

 

[Harry_Wild]

Indeed! all true, but its not what I was alluding too. I meant that many people want the Type R, if Honda was to bring over the engine only, most people would have no clue, but the journos would crucify Honda for not bringing it over in the Type R.

but to go back to the greenies, my favourite part of the whole equation is electricity generation. Which is worse, cars burning gasoline or cars using electricity generated from coal fired plants. Hello California, is that you?

Motortrend is in favorite of the move:


"Power, meanwhile, comes from Honda's new 2.0-liter VTEC Turbo engine, the first application of this new engine family. When we drove a prototype last year, it was making "275+ horsepower" and was an absolute screamer on the track. Honda hopes it will power the production Type-R to a new Nurburgring FWD lap record. ... if Honda tradition holds, the production car, will look very much like this concept (though the aero parts probably won't be made of carbon-fiber). The Honda Civic Type-R will hit the streets of Europe next year, and probably still won't come to America. Hopefully, though, the engine and suspension will find their at across the sea and into a Honda or Acura product."

Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/1403_honda_civic_type_r_concept_flaunts_a_turbo_four_in_geneva.html#ixzz30zc2Ml00

 

[Harry_Wild]

The primary reason Honda U.S. will never sell this Type R model or any Civic that is sold outside of the U.S.; is that the World Class Civic is a completely different car then the Civic that is made in the U.S.




More about the new 2.0 liter engine!
Engine upgrades

The biggest and many crucial modification is the motor. 2015 Honda Civic Type R will be run by world aspirations 2.0-liter turbo motor. In accordance to Honda’s officials brand new motor will be in a position to deliver more than 276 horsepower and around 295 lb-ft of torque. Brand new motor will be mated to a six rate handbook transmission. Another benefit that this car brings with it’s gas economy. In accordance to quotes, 2015 Honda Civic Type R prices up to 40 mpg and it’s going to be provided with front-wheel-drive. Cost for 2015 Honda Civic Type R will be someplace around $26 000, but precise quantity will be understood during the very first half of 2015 whenever Honda plans to start its European Civic.


http://carmax2015.com/2015-honda-civic-type-r-price-specs-engine/

 

[Red]

The primary reason Honda U.S. will never sell this Type R model or any Civic that is sold outside of the U.S.; is that the World Class Civic is a completely different car then the Civic that is made in the U.S.




More about the new 2.0 liter engine!
Engine upgrades

The biggest and many crucial modification is the motor. 2015 Honda Civic Type R will be run by world aspirations 2.0-liter turbo motor. In accordance to Honda’s officials brand new motor will be in a position to deliver more than 276 horsepower and around 295 lb-ft of torque. Brand new motor will be mated to a six rate handbook transmission. Another benefit that this car brings with it’s gas economy. In accordance to quotes, 2015 Honda Civic Type R prices up to 40 mpg and it’s going to be provided with front-wheel-drive. Cost for 2015 Honda Civic Type R will be someplace around $26 000, but precise quantity will be understood during the very first half of 2015 whenever Honda plans to start its European Civic.


http://carmax2015.com/2015-honda-civic-type-r-price-specs-engine/

yea its the same foolish business they used to do with the Euro Accord, at least US got the Euro accord as the TSX. Would be sweet if the Euro Civ was the ILX, but its not...

 

[cfrp]

id be pretty surprised if the type r civic ever makes it to north america

 

[Red]

I wonder if Honda could stuff the ILX's 2.4 Natural 4 in there? good for 201 ponies and 170 lb-ft... is that enough for the ricky racers?

 

[vtec]

That would be great but doesn't that defeat the purpose of this? Plus honda doesnt seem to be at a stage where they should jump into something more geared toward performance.

 

[Red]

That would be great but doesn't that defeat the purpose of this? Plus honda doesnt seem to be at a stage where they should jump into something more geared toward performance.

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at?

 

[Harry_Wild]

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at?

In the U.S. Honda image is that of vehicles that are practical and reliable. Outside of the U.S.; Honda image is about performance.