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Chiense market Vezel is expected to have a 1.5L making 131 hp as well as a 1.8L making 150-160 hp. No Hybrid announced for that market, still hopeful North America is offered a hybrid!
 

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Strange that they wouldn't send a hybrid Vezel to the Chinese market. It seems like the Chinese government is going to be focusing on making electric and hybrid vehicles more common in the country, so now is the time to start putting hybrids into that market.

I'm still hoping for a North American hybrid as well.
 

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a hybrid is a must for the american market, especially with how the hybrid market is growing in north america, it will be a good early start for them with an affordable CUV hybrid
 

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Strange that they wouldn't send a hybrid Vezel to the Chinese market. It seems like the Chinese government is going to be focusing on making electric and hybrid vehicles more common in the country, so now is the time to start putting hybrids into that market.

I'm still hoping for a North American hybrid as well.
Because the Chinese don't buy hybrids. The government can do whatever it want's but it means nothing to the success or failure of the product in the market place. Look at the embarasing amount of support and shilling our .gov does for hybrids and its gotten them an inch up the mountain, if that...
 

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Yea, but I think that the Chinese government has more control over its people than the US government does. The Chinese aren't afraid to institute policies that the US would never consider. I mean, they have regulated how many children you can have. If they can do that, I am sure they can find some way to encourage or force people to buy more fuel efficient vehicles.
 

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Yea, but I think that the Chinese government has more control over its people than the US government does. The Chinese aren't afraid to institute policies that the US would never consider. I mean, they have regulated how many children you can have. If they can do that, I am sure they can find some way to encourage or force people to buy more fuel efficient vehicles.
No they wouldn't because the minute they start forcing people into them is the minute everyone starts to suspect something may be amiss. IF this product is supposed to enhance lives of the citizenry why would it need to be forced down peoples throats?

The auto-makers will never allow it because it spells doom for the products in other markets outside of China. Its a psychological game that is far more complex than legislation. You can't make people good by act of parliament, remember that.

That one child policy hasn't worked out for them so hot either so its not the best stone to base an argument on ;):D>:D
 

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I think all they can do is favor these types of vehicles by encouraging people to get them, like tax credits
 

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The 1.8 would be the earth dreams motor in case anyone is wondering. The ED has the ability to run both atkinson and otto cycles for max fuel sippage...
 

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No they wouldn't because the minute they start forcing people into them is the minute everyone starts to suspect something may be amiss. IF this product is supposed to enhance lives of the citizenry why would it need to be forced down peoples throats?

The auto-makers will never allow it because it spells doom for the products in other markets outside of China. Its a psychological game that is far more complex than legislation. You can't make people good by act of parliament, remember that.

That one child policy hasn't worked out for them so hot either so its not the best stone to base an argument on ;):D>:D
Whether it works or not, it is still in effect and they are following through with it. All I'm saying is that the Chinese government is willing to make pretty radical decrees. I don't see how a policy that would encourage hybrid ownership in CHina would affect other markets though. And besides that, other countries already have policies that encourage hybrrid ownership so its hardly like CHina would be the first to do something like this.
 

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Whether it works or not, it is still in effect and they are following through with it. All I'm saying is that the Chinese government is willing to make pretty radical decrees. I don't see how a policy that would encourage hybrid ownership in CHina would affect other markets though. And besides that, other countries already have policies that encourage hybrrid ownership so its hardly like CHina would be the first to do something like this.
There is a different between encouragement and act of government. You can incentivise the process and hope they come, or you can force them into it. We see incentive systems already, this may surprise you but some people decide to pass.

Use your thinking, if People have to be FORCED into Hybrids by act of government what does that say about the potential of Hybrid/EV's? Think about the perception game for the globe (we're all interconnected now) China has a smog problem yet people still refuse to adopt hybrids unless forced. IT screams from the top of the highest tower that the value is simply not there even in a place where the trade is or should be significantly skewed.
 

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Thankfully there are car makers like Tesla that are aiming to really push the EV game and go into all segments of it so with that, they can help with making EV's so attractive that people will want to buy them.
 

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So Earth Dreams is the new VTEC...

1.8 to 2.0L class engine
Employs direct injection technology and the Atkinson cycle using the DOHC, VTEC technologies as the base. Implementation of VTC and high-capacity EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) to both the intake and exhaust ports creates significantly reduced friction. For the 2.0L class hybrid vehicle engines, use of an electric water pump eliminates the need for a belt in the auxiliary device and contributes to a reduction in friction.
Should position it as VTEC for the old retired ricky racers, let them relive their B16 days ;)
 

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So Earth Dreams is the new VTEC...



Should position it as VTEC for the old retired ricky racers, let them relive their B16 days ;)
No thanks, if I was one of those guys I would rather do an old school build and instead of a b16 go for a k series :D
 

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No thanks, if I was one of those guys I would rather do an old school build and instead of a b16 go for a k series :D
Point being that these guys have grown up and need something for the family or for the commute...
 

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that they do, i guess this can be enough for them, if it was up to me though i'd really love to have some HFP Accord with a v6, fun for me and great to move a family around.
 

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never felt the HFP was worth it, too much show not enough go... $5K for stickers and farkles...
 

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it's a good chunk more but some folks opt for it to be different, to stand out, and of course some for what exactly is being offered with that kit which they find to be worth it although it may seem overpriced to many.
 

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yea but you can do alot with $5K other than give it to the manufacturer. You can make your car a feck ton more unique with $5K than you can by adding 5 horsepower stickers ;) Besides its not 'unique' if the factory does it ;)
 

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of course you can do a lot with $5k other than to put it into the manufacturer, you can buy cheap knock off parts and get a lot or go authentic and get almost the same as you would get from the manufacturer.

But what's unique to you may not be what's unique to someone else.

What exactly would you do with that $5k, break it down?

Quite a lot of these upgrades have pricing that's justified once you look at the details, comparable to getting parts from an authentic aftermarket parts maker when it comes to what you get for your money.
 
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