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I'm on the HRV, CX3, and Renegade forums, because I'm interested in cross-shopping. One thing that has my eyes rolling back in my head is the apparent willingness of many people to drop $32,000 for a Renegade Trailhawk. We're talking a B-segment economy car here, same as the HRV. Same class, more power, but granted vastly more off-road prowess.

So I'd like to pose another question. How much is too much? Let's limit it to the HRV. Assume you buy an HRV optioned the way you like. How much is too much?

For me, even the most heavily loaded HRV would drop out of contention somewhere north of $24,000.

So three questions:

1. How much is too much?
2. What do you consider "must have" options?
3. FWD or AWD?
 

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I'm on the HRV, CX3, and Renegade forums, because I'm interested in cross-shopping. One thing that has my eyes rolling back in my head is the apparent willingness of many people to drop $32,000 for a Renegade Trailhawk. We're talking a B-segment economy car here, same as the HRV. Same class, more power, but granted vastly more off-road prowess.

So I'd like to pose another question. How much is too much? Let's limit it to the HRV. Assume you buy an HRV optioned the way you like. How much is too much?

For me, even the most heavily loaded HRV would drop out of contention somewhere north of $24,000.

So three questions:

1. How much is too much?
2. What do you consider "must have" options?
3. FWD or AWD?
1. If the base price of an LX reaches the base price of a CX-5 (21,545) , I might just move on. Get the CX-5 or maybe patiently await something from Toyota in this segment. (Although the utility of the HR-V over the CX-5 is a strong pull for me.)


2. I will probably be happy with whatever comes with the LX standard. I like Manuals.


3. FWD
 

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Are you doing informal market surveys for Honda ? -

I'm on the HRV, CX3, and Renegade forums, because I'm interested in cross-shopping. One thing that has my eyes rolling back in my head is the apparent willingness of many people to drop $32,000 for a Renegade Trailhawk. We're talking a B-segment economy car here, same as the HRV. Same class, more power, but granted vastly more off-road prowess.

So I'd like to pose another question. How much is too much? Let's limit it to the HRV. Assume you buy an HRV optioned the way you like. How much is too much?

For me, even the most heavily loaded HRV would drop out of contention somewhere north of $24,000.

So three questions:

1. How much is too much?
2. What do you consider "must have" options?
3. FWD or AWD?
Too much is probably the amount you are being paid for these surveys.
 

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Actually, I wouldn't mind being a professional marketer. What an interesting job that would be. Go out and figure out why people make the decisions they do, and then try to convince the execs to build the cars people actually want. What a cool job.
 

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1. For me I'd say 26,000 out the door is probably my max for most likely the EX. Really don't want leather unless it had features like the CR-V Touring and the EX didn't have it. At that point I may just wait and save up for a CR-V even though I prefer the smaller size of the HR-V.

2. If it doesn't have android auto that would take it off my list. I've been holding off an AWD car purchase for exactly what android auto provides. Also want back up sensors and remote starter. A premium sound system option would be nice.

3. AWD
 

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Would probably make a pretty good politician too

Actually, I wouldn't mind being a professional marketer. What an interesting job that would be. Go out and figure out why people make the decisions they do, and then try to convince the execs to build the cars people actually want. What a cool job.
since you didn't answer my question. Or maybe you work for AutoGuide.
 

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If they make a manual transmission, FWD EX-L, I will buy it for around $23k. If they don't make it, I will move on to something else most likely. If it is more, I will be comparison shopping the CX-3 and the Renegade. The Renegade Latitude will retail for just under $23k with a 6 speed but won't have leather and other nice options.
 

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is it my imagination or I read somewhere that there won't be a manual?
the 500x, Renegade and Trax are both in the 21-22k USD range for basic trims with automatic transmissions and FWD. I expect this one to be on the same range or less with the CVT, if not I'll go for one of those others. I like the HR-V cargo capabilities but I am not willing to spend more for that where I can get a more off-road capable jeep or a 9 speed real automatic (not CVT) with the 500x for the same price
The Trax as a very weak engine and much lower efficiency so unless they give a lot of incentives in price I'll cross it out of my list too
 

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1. ~28k Canadian for EX or EX-L
2. manual, sunroof are non-negotiable; dual-zone climate would be nice
3. FWD... living in Canada's banana belt, not much call for AWD
 

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I want to be in around 18.5 with an LX FWD. I think pricing on par with the Civic is fair since the HRV is smaller in size but bigger in utility.

20K for entry level and I am out.
 

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I haven't decided on a trim level yet, it's going to depend on the pricing. I'm assuming we're talking about MSRP here. Generally I think the LX will be less than 20k (it'll look good for them from a marketing standpoint if they price it at 19k or less which would overlap with a top end EX-L Fit, just like the top end CR-V is about the same price as a base LX Pilot). From there, I think it would be too much to have the EX-L go past a starting LX CR-V, so that means no more than 24-25k. I think once you're in 25k range the larger CX-5, Forester, CR-V, etc. start coming into play.

My must haves are a manual transmission which is going to be available on all FWD trims here in the US. Hopefully they offer FWD in all trim levels but we don't know if they will yet. Another for me is fog lights, living in the Sacramento Valley, they're something you really want to have during the winter. I'll either add them to an LX or go with the EX to get them.

FWD = Manual therefore I'm looking at FWD. AWD would be nice, but I really don't need it where I live.
 

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Just remember, there will be list price and street price. I'd expect the range of MSRP to start at $18.5k for the LX manual. Very few of hose will be available, and no other trim will be manual. I'd expect the EX with leather in the $25k range, which is fine with me. That's the trim I'm going for unless they have a touring unexpectedly.
 

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I want a manual transmission with AWD, xenon headlights, and a premium stereo.

I'll pay $25k for an HR-V thusly equipped.

Please tell Honda marketing to provide that combination of features.
 

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Just remember, there will be list price and street price. I'd expect the range of MSRP to start at $18.5k for the LX manual. Very few of hose will be available, and no other trim will be manual. I'd expect the EX with leather in the $25k range, which is fine with me. That's the trim I'm going for unless they have a touring unexpectedly.

Your pricing makes sense. I agree the LX may be scarce, but if you were willing to wait, one can be ordered. A salesman naturally would want you to buy a loaded up one immediately , but a sale is a sale and I am sure a good deal could be made.


Also, I think there will be more LXs a while after initial release. They always start out with the loaded models first. Dealers also like to throw a bunch of accessories on there to jack up the price for those excited buyers who want the latest thing NOW. Another good reason to be patient and let the inventories build up a bit.
 

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is it my imagination or I read somewhere that there won't be a manual?
the 500x, Renegade and Trax are both in the 21-22k USD range for basic trims with automatic transmissions and FWD. I expect this one to be on the same range or less with the CVT, if not I'll go for one of those others. I like the HR-V cargo capabilities but I am not willing to spend more for that where I can get a more off-road capable jeep or a 9 speed real automatic (not CVT) with the 500x for the same price
The Trax as a very weak engine and much lower efficiency so unless they give a lot of incentives in price I'll cross it out of my list too

It's your imagination....there will be a manual, just not with AWD. It is unknown at this point if manual will be available on all levels. Most car companies don't have manual on upper levels, but I think Honda would be very smart to distinguish themselves and offer it. (Already blew it not offering with AWD).
 

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I want to be in around 18.5 with an LX FWD. I think pricing on par with the Civic is fair since the HRV is smaller in size but bigger in utility.

20K for entry level and I am out.

From your mouth to Honda's ears. :)


That is my biggest fear that Honda may overprice the LX. I would be deliriously happy if they kept the price below 20,000 out the door.
 

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Just did a quick compare of Canadian and US pricing and manual transmission availability:
Cdn / US
Fit: 16-23 / 16-20
Manual avail: all models / LX, EX only (not EX-L)
Civic sedan: 17-28.5 / 18.5-24
Manual avail: all models except touring / LX, SE and Si only
CRV: 28-38 / 23-33
No manual

Manual transmissions are still more common (and available) North of the border, good omen for me. Price difference doesn't look so bad since our dollar tanked. I expect the HR-V to slot right in with the Civic. I read a quote from a Honda guy (in Aus?) saying they're worried the HR-V will cannibilize sales from Civic... I would be too, lots of Civic shoppers might prefer the HR-V form factor when it's available for around the same money.
 

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Just remember, there will be list price and street price. I'd expect the range of MSRP to start at $18.5k for the LX manual. Very few of hose will be available, and no other trim will be manual. I'd expect the EX with leather in the $25k range, which is fine with me. That's the trim I'm going for unless they have a touring unexpectedly.
I just checked Edmunds.com for the 2015 Honda Fit and it is still selling for MSRP. I wonder how it takes for a new model to start to sell for less than MSRP.
 
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