[HRV4ME]

Agree, given all that we are hearing, the technology is just not there yet. YMMV if you choose to put your life on it.

With the recall mentioned somewhere on the eyesight system, I'd go with HRV for now...let the technology work out the kinks first

 

[randY49]

Agree, given all that we are hearing, the technology is just not there yet. YMMV if you choose to put your life on it.

1) No one is putting their life on this technology. It is supplemental to the driver, not fully autonomous.

2) This is the first model year for the HR-V. It's not a proven vehicle yet, so recalls could be issued on it as well.

 

[HRV4ME]

Guess with the free leather, it brought it in just under invoice?

Sticker was $26,400 before the leather. We got it for a bit under 26k and got the leather for no additional fee.

Other options were crossbars, splashguards, upgraded 7-inch touch screen infotainment system with 6 speakers, seatback protectors, rubber cargo tray, bumper protective strip, auto-dimming mirror with home link, and all-weather floor mats. I may have left something off.

Just for kicks, I added the 100k full warranty and dealer maintenance plan, which gives you a $500 discount the next time you buy a Subiev (also saves over regular costs, anyway).

I saw someone else asked for pix. Editing to try to post a pic.

 

[Raw nerve]

people dont get it subaru is not on the same level as honda...

http://www.torquenews.com/1084/subaru-gets-blanked-2015-jd-power-vehicle-dependability-study

 

[idearat]

people dont get it subaru is not on the same level as honda...

http://www.torquenews.com/1084/subaru-gets-blanked-2015-jd-power-vehicle-dependability-study

People don't get that torque news is a Honda fan site... which is maybe why they failed to mention that Honda didn't exactly sweep the survey. Yes, they did get some mentions, but considering the breadth of their product line and the size of their customer base compared to Subaru, I'd hesitate to say they're on a different level.

The survey also found most problems are with electronics, not mechanicals, and the spread from the best to the worst brands, in terms of reports per hundred cars, isn't all that broad.

"problems with Bluetooth connectivity and voice recognition are the most frequently reported issues "
http://autos.jdpower.com/content/study-auto/I0X6eMP/2015-u-s-vehicle-dependability-study-results.htm

If you rely on this report to choose your next car you'll be buying a GM.

 

[gruenie]

Subaru's eyesight is the best in the business. Nobody's life depends on it as noted above.

At least Subaru is doing a recall for the affected vehicles which is unlike Honda and the vibrating chair CR-V.

 

[Ps1234]

Subaru's eyesight is the best in the business. Nobody's life depends on it as noted above.

At least Subaru is doing a recall for the affected vehicles which is unlike Honda and the vibrating chair CR-V.

I had 2 dealerships deny the vibration existed- it's weird as it happens in drive with the air on, w/o ac.....
The third one said yep, honda is working on a fix...he got my buy for the HRV.
Honesty goes real far with me

 

[Raw nerve]

No problem.... Honda almost outsells subarus hole lineup with there accord every month. The dodge dart out sells the impreza ... how sad is that

 

[lbhonda]

No problem.... Honda almost outsells subarus hole lineup with there accord every month. The dodge dart out sells the impreza ... how sad is that

Actually, google it, and Subaru has trouble keeping up with demand because they cannot produce enough vehicles.

"Production at Subaru’s Lafayette, IN, plant is “maxed out” and likely will stay that way for another two years." http://wardsauto.com/plants-production/subaru-capacity-crunch-600000-us-sales-feasible

Last year around August Subaru's sales were up ~22%.
Last year around August Honda's sales were down ~1.5%.

Subaru does not compete anywhere within the realm of Honda/Toyota. Honestly, props to Subaru for creating products with huge demand when they are a very small, niche automaker.

I have nothing against you or Honda, however some of the statements posted here are just blindly bashing other automakers for no real reason. Dodge Dart has high fleet sale numbers and huge discounts/manufacturer incentives, BTW.

 

[Bicepeak]

People don't get that torque news is a Honda fan site... which is maybe why they failed to mention that Honda didn't exactly sweep the survey. Yes, they did get some mentions, but considering the breadth of their product line and the size of their customer base compared to Subaru, I'd hesitate to say they're on a different level.

The survey also found most problems are with electronics, not mechanicals, and the spread from the best to the worst brands, in terms of reports per hundred cars, isn't all that broad.

"problems with Bluetooth connectivity and voice recognition are the most frequently reported issues "
http://autos.jdpower.com/content/study-auto/I0X6eMP/2015-u-s-vehicle-dependability-study-results.htm

If you rely on this report to choose your next car you'll be buying a GM.

Post of the month award!

 

[Bicepeak]

Actually, google it, and Subaru has trouble keeping up with demand because they cannot produce enough vehicles.

"Production at Subaru’s Lafayette, IN, plant is “maxed out” and likely will stay that way for another two years." http://wardsauto.com/plants-production/subaru-capacity-crunch-600000-us-sales-feasible

Last year around August Subaru's sales were up ~22%.
Last year around August Honda's sales were down ~1.5%.

Subaru does not compete anywhere within the realm of Honda/Toyota. Honestly, props to Subaru for creating products with huge demand when they are a very small, niche automaker.

I have nothing against you or Honda, however some of the statements posted here are just blindly bashing other automakers for no real reason. Dodge Dart has high fleet sale numbers and huge discounts/manufacturer incentives, BTW.

Wait....we have a tie for post of the month award! This one gets special mention for "Best Reality Check".

 

[Ps1234]

When I went shopping, there were NO crosstreks in the trim level I wanted in a 200 mile radius.

 

[mikeheel]

V

When I went shopping, there were NO crosstreks in the trim level I wanted in a 200 mile radius.

Part of why I was able to get free leather. Had to wait a few extra days, but that was no problem.

Subaru has the lowest dealer inventory of any manufacturer, and they cannot keep up with demand for the Crosstrek.

Not worried about the recall; that's a minor thing. But it is something to factor in as you shop.

No BT issues at all with the system in the Crosstrek. The dealer gave me a Forester as a loaner while they got my car from another dealer and installed leather. The Forester base stereo does have BT issues, but the upgraded one is fine. They are putting the Impreza/Crossrek system in the 2016 Forester, though, so that will fix the BT issues there. I think the Forester is the last of their vehicles to get the better audio system.

Again, I don't think you can go wrong with the Crosstrek or the HR-V. Just a question of which fits better when you drive it. We were surprised my wife and I both preferred the Crosstrek after we drove both. Understand, a friend manages a Honda dealership and has always given us incredible deals. We really like Honda. My wife, at one point, planned to pre-order an HR-V. So the Subie was a definite underdog.

 

[gruenie]

V
Again, I don't think you can go wrong with the Crosstrek or the HR-V. Just a question of which fits better when you drive it. We were surprised my wife and I both preferred the Crosstrek after we drove both. Understand, a friend manages a Honda dealership and has always given us incredible deals. We really like Honda. My wife, at one point, planned to pre-order an HR-V. So the Subie was a definite underdog.

Succinctly put For many, the Crosstrek doesn't come up on the radar. The Seattle area has the second highest concentration of Subarus in the US, with 10.1 percent of cars on the road being a Subaru. I had my heart set on the HR-V for a year, but after test driving and not being as impressed as my heart had been set to be, I checked out the Crosstrek I observed popping up everywhere around the Puget Sound.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/data/does-everyone-in-seattle-drive-a-subaru/http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/data/does-everyone-in-seattle-drive-a-subaru/

The HR-V will probably suit more people than the Crosstrek will. But, I like the option of driving more diverse places than I would take the HR-V. So, I now have 1000 miles on my 2015 Crosstrek Limited. For $26500 I feel I get more value and features than the similar HR-V EX-L. YMMV.

I do notice now that the inflow of HR-Vs that initially came in to the region have all but disappeared. A quick check of cars.com shows only a handful in a 100 mile radius of Tacoma.

 

[idearat]

Finally saw the HRV yesterday. Looked it all over and sat in it, test drive to come. I was more impressed than I was starting to fear I would be: great size, looks good, nicely put together. Some lower-quality materials, challenges with comfort, especially the tiny passenger footwell which may end up a deal-breaker after a test drive.

Right now, before revisiting and driving both, if cost was close I'd pick the Subie. But in my scenario there's likely a $4k difference, because of the models I'd consider and Canadian pricing.

I've said all along that awd, while nice to have, isn't a need for me. I'm looking at the HRV EX FWD in either 6mt or CVT, depending on how they drive. The EX-L adds $6800 or $5500 to those; nowhere near worth it for me. In the Subie, there's $2300 difference between the Sport and Limited, which is worth the extras, though I wouldn't spend $2500 for the Tech package.

Bottom line: if I assume I can get 2k off the XV price (and they're advertising 1500 off, so shouldn't be hard), there's a premium of $4000 over the HRV CVT, and $5000 over the manual. So I need to be sure the value's there, for me, to justify the XV.

 

[HRV4ME]

If your a Costco member, go through their buyer program.. Subarus $500 Below Invoice.

 

[mikeheel]

Bottom line: if I assume I can get 2k off the XV price (and they're advertising 1500 off, so shouldn't be hard), there's a premium of $4000 over the HRV CVT, and $5000 over the manual. So I need to be sure the value's there, for me, to justify the XV.

Wow, even with my friend managing a large Honda dealership, the Subie was cheaper when similarly outfitted. I know it's different in different countries, but I am surprised it's such a large swing.
At that price differential and if AWD truly doesn't matter to you, I might go with the HR-V, although I did like the Crosstrek more.

 

[idearat]

You see my dilemma... but the large difference is mostly because they're not equipped identically. The AWD and CVT add $3600, which brings them closer, and the step up to the EX-L is another $3200, which is ridiculous imo. They seem to justify it because we get the Forward Collision and Lane Departure warnings, which I don't care about... though roof rails would be nice!

hrv4me, the costco canada auto site says "there are currently no vehicle offers available". I'm guessing it may not exist here... though they do have the site.

http://www.costcoauto.ca/Default.aspx

 

[gruenie]

You see my dilemma... but the large difference is mostly because they're not equipped identically. The AWD and CVT add $3600, which brings them closer, and the step up to the EX-L is another $3200, which is ridiculous imo. They seem to justify it because we get the Forward Collision and Lane Departure warnings, which I don't care about... though roof rails would be nice!

hrv4me, the costco canada auto site says "there are currently no vehicle offers available". I'm guessing it may not exist here... though they do have the site.

http://www.costcoauto.ca/Default.aspx

You are certainly on the horns of a dilemma! >

Had the price difference between the HR-V and the Crosstrek been as vast as it is in our lovely neighbor land up the road, I really think I would have gone HR-V. I would have lived with the cubby space issue/air vent gash and lack of buttons on the AC and radio.

I can't wait to hear your review of the HR-V test drive. I thought it really handled like the Hondas of old, which is a good thing.

 

[HRV4ME]

Not familiar with Canada's program, was referring to the U.S.

You see my dilemma... but the large difference is mostly because they're not equipped identically. The AWD and CVT add $3600, which brings them closer, and the step up to the EX-L is another $3200, which is ridiculous imo. They seem to justify it because we get the Forward Collision and Lane Departure warnings, which I don't care about... though roof rails would be nice!

hrv4me, the costco canada auto site says "there are currently no vehicle offers available". I'm guessing it may not exist here... though they do have the site.

http://www.costcoauto.ca/Default.aspx