Honda HR-V Forum banner

LX New Stereo Installation....DONE!

47K views 46 replies 11 participants last post by  ThePetrus  
#1 · (Edited)
Previously I'd posted in another thread that I'd be adding some new stereo components to my LX and now that it's finished just thought I'd share the details of my installation and the outcome for those who are interested. Sorry in advance for the lack of pictures. I get tunnel vision when I'm working on a project and never think to stop and document things. However, I'm happy to take pictures upon request of the finished work, although as you read on, there's not really much to "see"....

Components Installed:

AudioControl LC6i line output converter - $109 on Amazon

Alpine MRV-F300 Class D 4/3/2 Channel Amplifier 50W x 4 or 150W x 2 @ 4Ω - $150 on Amazon

Polk db6501 Component Front Speakers - $115 on Amazon

Polk db651 Coaxial Rear Speakers - $68 on Amazon

JL Audio ACP108LG Microsub+ 8" Powered Subwoofer - $345 from PacificStereo after 20% off coupon

My overall goal for this project was to substantially improve the audio quality while keeping the factory head unit. I consider the factory head unit "nothing special" but the fact that it's integrated with the rear camera, steering wheel audio and bluetooth controls, and USB/line-in underneath makes an aftermarket head unit install potentially troublesome. Especially if I want to retain these functions.

Starting with the dash, the soft trim surrounding the head unit and extending across the passenger side pulls out in one piece fairly easily. I recommend starting under the glove box. Once that's out, the head unit is held in place with three screws. Do not attempt to unscrew these with a phillips driver. Use the appropriate 8mm (I think) socket. The third screw is at the bottom of the unit and chances are you'll need an extension to get to it. DO NOT unscrew this bottom screw all the way. The screw WILL fall down into the dash. You can just loosen it and lift off the head unit. With the head unit removed I used a 9-wire to tap into the speaker outputs and ignition turn on for the LC6i. I ran the 9-wire down the dash and through the center column to the LC6i which is under the driver's seat, secured with velcro.

The the amplifier install was pretty straightforward. Used a T-Spec 4 gauge dual amp kit ($100 on Amazon). Ran my main power through the firewall almost right behind the steering wheel. In this spot there's some factory wiring going through a HUGE grommet, so I just poked a little hole and pushed the 4 gauge through no problem. Ended the main power with a small distribution block which is also located under the driver's seat.

From this distribution block I'm running 8 gauge power to the Alpine amp (also under the driver's seat) and to the JL Powered Sub. The sub fits perfectly in an upward firing position under the rear seat....slid all the way back to the floor bracket that the bottom of the rear seat snaps into when unfolded. And all of the sub's power and signal connections disconnect quickly and easily in case I need to fold down/up the seat. I also used the distribution block to get power for the LC6i. For grounds, I used a seat bolt for the Alpine amp & LC6i and for the sub I used a bolt holding the bracket under the rear seat.

LX models have an empty space on the dash where the tweeters would go if there were any, so I naturally used this dash location to install the component tweeters. The door panels came off fairly easily...same as any other Honda. While I had the doors apart, I went ahead and layed down some Dynamat. I didn't want to bother with removing the weather barrier, so I just cut small pieces and placed them wherever I could on the inner door metal. I surrounded the speaker openings with Dynamat and added some on the outer door metal behind where the speakers are mounted. I also stuck some Dynamat on some of the flat plastic parts of the inside of the door panels just to give the doors an overall more solid feel. I had ordered some Scosche brackets to mount the speakers but ended up not using them. Instead I used the brackets that came with the Polk speakers and drilled a few new holes in the doors to mount them. The Scosche brackets made the speakers stick out further than was necessary. Using the Polk brackets, the speaker magnets cleared the windows when rolled down, so no worries. Plus, the Scosche brackets would have required cutting away some of the inside of the factory door grill. I did not use the factory speaker wiring, so I ran some new 14 gauge wire through the door boots and to the Alpine amp. The crossovers for the front speakers I just secured under the dash on either side of the car (more on this later).

Sound quality / Observations:

Well there's no way it was going to sound worse than the stock setup! The Polk db's have a definite "break-in" period of a few hours. They initially sounded a little hollow, but the frequency response improved dramatically over the next few days. Treble/bass settings on the head unit I've kept at "0". No need to adjust either. The crossovers have three settings (-3db/0/+3db) for the tweeters, and I've kept this at 0 as well. The LC6i is awesome. The 6 output signals it sends to the amps can be adjusted and it has lights to show when it's clipping, so you never really need to turn up the gain on your amplifiers at all. The JL Audio Microsub+ is unreal for a tiny 8". They're doing some crazy stuff over there now with the amplifiers in these subs. This one is putting out 250W RMS @ 0.40Ω! Other models are putting out 500W at 0.2Ω! I ran a remote bass control knob and mounted it on one of the blank panels next to the stability control button...perfect!

Issues:

First issue had to do with some noise I began noticing from the tweeters. The noise would being as soon as I released the parking brake. Strange. I went through typical troubleshooting, checking grounds, signal cables, etc. But in the end the Polk crossovers were the culprit. With the speaker wires disconnected from the amplifier completely, the tweeters would still make noise all by themselves. I was about to call an exorcist, when I decided to check the crossovers. Upon moving them away from whatever electrical components they were near, the noise stopped. Wow. Problem solved.

Second issue is more of a preference than a problem. I paired up the Alpine amp and the Polk db's on the advice of a Crutchfield advisor. The Alpine amp (50W RMS x 4) was fine for the rear speakers (rated at 60W RMS) but it was underpowered for the component fronts (rated at 100W). I knew the sound was suffering. So I decided to bridge the 4 channels into 2 and now the amp is supplying 150W RMS x 2 to the front speakers (good thing I upgraded those speaker wires). And it sounds sooooo much better. As for the rears, I'm just letting the head unit power them...they're really just there for show anyway. But as a lesson, if you buy speakers with a power rating higher than your amp, you won't really hear their full potential.

Overall I spent about $800 for everything, plus a day and a half of labor to install it all. And I'm super pleased with the results. It's by far the best sounding setup I've installed thus far. Amazing clarity, and lots of punch. And it's also the most discreet. Nothing is visible, and virtually no seating or cargo space has been compromised.
 
#2 ·
Hi,
Thanks for this post. I have an EX and want to add an under the seat subwoofer as well. Thinking about soundstream usb-8a. I have been trying to find anything on how to get the dash apart which you just provided so thanks a ton. I see on ebay they make a plug that has line out converters, I'm waiting to hear if it will work for the HRV. Maybe you would recognize the plug? http://www.ebay.com/itm/12099514835...995148355?item=120995148355&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:X:AAQ:MOTORS:1123&vxp=mtr

Let me know and thanks again!
 
#3 ·
First question: Is the sub going under the front seat or back? The front seats don't have much clearance because of the gas tank being there and all. If planning on under the front seats, I would take good measurements before purchasing.

If just adding the sub and nothing else chances are the sub's high level inputs would work just fine. You'd just need to find the rear speaker wires and ignition for remote turn on which you'll easily find behind the head unit. See here: http://www.hrvforum.com/forum/409-electronics-audio/14801-help-lx-stereo-wiring.html#post215897

The rear channels should be purple+/grey- and green+/light green-
Each pair will be twisted together. Buy this 9-wire http://amzn.com/B002ODEZ1G
and these quick splice connectors http://amzn.com/B0041PF5QY. Splice the 4 rear channel wires and the remote turn on into the 9-wire and run the 9-wire to the amp's high level inputs. Run power and ground to your amp. Done.

I recommend this method because it greatly simplifies installation and leaves nothing to chance. For example, who knows if that LOC on ebay is a piece of crap and you end up with engine noise. Not like you can read reviews on it. Also, even if the harness fits the back of your head unit, the pin configuration may be different than other Honda's sharing the same harness. For example pin location 10 may be power for one car model, but ground for another model. No good. If you're really worried about tapping into factory wires you can buy the Metra male & female wiring harnesses. 70-1729 & 71-1729. Connect the male to the back of the head unit and the female to the factory harness. Then you're left with just the exposed wires and you can just connect all of the wires directly to each other except for the one's you need to tap into. All factory wiring remains intact.
 
#9 · (Edited)
Good to know. The HR-V isn't too difficult to work on. Lots of room inside the dash and the place I mentioned in the firewall is super easy to run your power through.

A couple of people have managed to fit underseat subs under their front seats.

See here: http://www.hrvforum.com/forum/289-h...89-honda-hr-v-general-discussion/10065-how-audio-system-quality.html#post132234

And this guy put one under his Fit's front seat...similar configuration: http://s925.photobucket.com/user/kimberidpa/media/DSC_0004.jpg.html

Let us know how it goes...
 
#12 ·
From the top. There's a little indented tab at the corner of each cover. You can see it when you look at them through the windshield as it's along the edge furthest from the windshield. They just pop up. I'm assuming the EX's installed tweeters are clipped into the inside of the grill somehow. Like I said my LX's were empty so I'm not really sure what the setup is for EXs. But it should be very easy to upgrade them. I'd probably not reuse the tweeter wire but instead just run the new wire to the crossover.

My understanding is that the factory EX setup is still pretty bad. The door speakers are playing full range with no LPF. They're basically the same speakers as the LX except they daisy chain the tweeters from them and add a HPF. When you pull them out you'll see just how measly they are.

Did the Kenwood sub fit under one of the seats?
 
#13 ·
It will fit under the drivers seat but I didn't put it there.
Didn't want to drill holes in the floor to secure it down and didn't want it sitting there loose.
Also there is a heating duct right there that would blow hot air on the sub.
I mounted it in the right rear of trunk area just behind the wheel arch. There is a flat spot there.
Fits nice and flat in there on a slight angle.
 
#14 ·
Hello again,

I just finished up installing my soundstream usb-8a subwoofer and I LOVE IT! Thank you for the tips. The dash came off easier than I expected. I did have to take that 3rd screw out of the bottom of the radio, not sure how you'd get it out without that. It did fall but I used a magnet to retrieve it. Used the wiring diagram you provided and tapped the speaker wires for the high line out. Easiest one I ever did. I installed the control knob as sometimes the bass will be too much. Fit great under the driver seat, the passenger seat wasn't happening I guess because of the fuel tank.

Anyway, you made the job a snap. I started at about 8:00 am and finished up about 10:30 or so. Including cleanup and vacuuming.

Thanks again!
 
#15 · (Edited)
Glad to hear it went well and you're pleased with the results!

The bottom screw holding the headunit on my LX passed through a slot that was open at the bottom, so the unit could be lifted over the screw head once loosened. I guess maybe the slot on the EX isn't open at the bottom...good thing you had that magnet.

Hopefully someone will lead the way with an aftermarket head unit install and retain steering wheel controls and backup camera functionality. As far as I know dash trim kits aren't available yet for the HRV though. I've been keeping an eye on the Fit forums too since the electronics are so similar but it seems like OEM integration is the way most people are going these days.
 
#16 ·
I just took it for its first actual drive to going to the gym. It seems to lose the bass at very high volume and it is almost too strong at low volume. Glad I installed the sub control knob (whatever its called). It sounds like a completely different stereo. Yes, maybe someday an aftermarket with actual rca outs etc but I'm light years ahead of where I was this am!
 
#17 ·
Here's a quote from AudioControl regarding the bass rolloff you're describing:

"Some factory radios dial down the bass as you turn up the volume to protect their speakers. The problem is, they don't give it back when you upgrade to a nice set of aftermarket speakers. AudioControl packs the LC2i with their AccuBASS™ circuitry that reverses the factory bass rolloff, giving you the bass you need to enjoy your music to the fullest. Place the LC2i between your factory system and your bass amp, and you'll hear a huge difference in bass response."

I'm not saying you need the product mentioned, so long as you're ok with manually adjusting it. Even with something like this, I still tend to adjust the bass level for almost every song anyway if I really want it to sound it's best.
 
#20 ·
It's a worthwhile investment. AudioControl stuff is top notch.

BTW I snapped a couple pics of the visible portions of my install...
---------------------------------------------------------

Control Knob:

Image


Powered sub tucks nicely under rear seat. Alpine amp and LC6i are under the front seat.

Image


Powered Sub connections:

Image
 
#25 · (Edited)
Sorry too late! There's a drawing on this forum somewhere. Look through Spinny's posts... I can't find it right now. It is stupid simple. Just grab the soft trim of the vents by the glove box and gently pull it. It will pop out - its all clips... Then pop each clip until the entire soft trim comes off. One plug for the hazards. Then there's 3 screws holding in the head unit. 2 up top one down low inside. Use a piece of electrical tape or something in the socket so you don't drop the screw or have a magnet handy. There's a wiring diagram in this thread as well. Everything you need is on here.

Found it: http://www.hrvforum.com/forum/409-electronics-audio/14594-replace-speakers.html
 
#27 ·
Installed the LC2i line out converter and disappointed. I have been trying to dial it in all day and it seems every song and station is different. Some seem to have no bass and some will blow you out of the car without making any adjustments. Also seems like it fades in and out during the same song. Sometimes the bass is there, sometimes not. Not sure what to do, I may rip it out I liked it better direct at this point.
 
#28 · (Edited)
That sucks to hear. I'd double check these things before giving up.

Good power source? Maybe the unit is turning on/off. Or maybe your sub amp is shutting down from running too hard.

I'd also make sure you're running the remote turn on ACC from your head unit to the LC2i then run the turn on from the LC2i to your sub. (Set GTO jumper to OFF)

Also try these steps to set your levels. The manual kinda sucks explaining everything.

Disconnect the RCA's from your sub.
Turn all the way down everything on the LC2i.
Play a CD at 75% max volume.
Slowly turn up the "Main" output level on the LC2i until the maximized light starts to flicker.
Turn the gain ALL THE WAY DOWN on your sub amp and reconnect your RCA's. There should be no need to turn up your amp gain at all. The signal strength from the LC2i should be more than adequate.
Now follow the manual's instructions for adjusting the AccuBASS settings.
If after all of this you're still getting mixed results, you can always try turning the threshold control (small screw on the side) up more and this should at least give you more consistent sound.
If all else fails, give AudioControl a call. They're very helpful.
 
#30 ·
One thing I left out...

When you're turning up the "Main" output on the LC2i until the lights flicker, you'll actually need to do this for MAIN and for the BASS channels. Each channel's overall output can be adjusted independently. But there's only one "maximized" light so the output level you end up using for both of these channels should be the same.
 
#32 ·
I just made all the corrections to the settings as you stated and it is MUCH better. Nice to understand how it works rather than just twisting knobs until it sounds good. I will leave it as is for now and drive it for a few days and see how it goes. Some songs still seem to have no bass while others will knock you out of the car. I guess its the way they were recorded (I know a lot of classic rock was recorded low). I was able to download the accubase settings from Audio Control and set that up as well.

I sincerely appreciate your help as we are way off the hrv topic at this point, but these threads may serve others (I'm sure) in the future.
 
#33 ·
Update... That wasn't working either. I called audio control because I was getting sporatic bass, sometimes it was there or not in the same song and in the middle of a beat fading in and out.

They had me do the following:

So the Main is out out for my application as I'm only using the subwoofer, so worried only about the bass knob in that department.
He told me to turn the accubass threshold and bass knob all the way down. Then turn the bass knob until I got bass. Then I adjusted the gain on the amp till it was just right. For now I have the accubass backed off and it sounds pretty good and at loud volumes as well. Quite a bugger to adjust but understanding how it works sure helps.